Why Argentina Is Better Than The US & UK

They tried and sentenced former leader Reynaldo Bignone for crimes against humanity,

Reynaldo Bignone, 82, was convicted along with five other former military officers for 56 cases involving torture, illegal detentions and other crimes in one of Argentina’s largest torture centres, the Campo de Mayo military base.

He was appointed president by the military junta in the waning years of the dictatorship and it fell to him to protect the military as Argentina returned to democracy. He granted amnesty to human rights violators and ordered the destruction of documents related to torture and disappearances of political opponents before agreeing to transfer power to the democratically elected Raul Alfonsin.

Argentina’s courts and congress eventually overturned the amnesty, and President Cristina Fernandez has made a priority of prosecuting leaders of the dictatorship.

At present there is ample evidence to justify a criminal investigation of George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld & associates; Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Alastair Campbell & associates. Even without such an investigation there is a great deal of evidence of a torture program and an international conspiracy  in order to enable them to perpetrate the supreme crime of a war of aggression that all of them were party to. Subsequent behaviour by the Obama government strongly suggests he and associates are also engaged in criminal activities -torture, summary execution, destruction of evidence/covering up of previous administrations’ crimes.

Now admittedly it took Argentina 27 years to nail their former leader so I’m willing to be a little patient… a little. Also see Otto @ IKN, Uruguay also shows some impressive moves-

Uruguay has just slapped down one of its dictator-era scum today. Ex Chancellor in the dictator era Juan Carlos Blanco was this morning sentenced to 20 years behind bars. The guilty verdict was for his involvement in the disappearance of schoolteacher Elena Quinteros in 1976 and was determined to be a “very specially aggravated murder”.

There is still a way to go, about 30,000 people were ‘disappeared’ in Argentina’s dirty war there are many culprits, political and military figures who used the state apparatus to perpetrate the worst crimes imaginable.

murder, rape, torture, extortion, looting and other serious crimes went unpunished, as long as they were carried out within the framework of the political and ideological persecution

That ideological and political framework was in large part Neoliberal Shock Treatment, a political movement that now retains its h0ld on all the major parties of the US & UK making elections a mockery of actual democracy. Predictably the USA supported and cooperated with the regimes, a slight cooling off during Carter’s term was overturned by St. Ronnie who loved some Latin American blood on his hands, an aspect completely censored from the mainstream hagiographic necrophilia the Empire has for the late senile bad actor & bigot I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing.”

The Anglosphere & North really thinks it is the bees knees, I think the rest of the world is disabusing us of that delusion, and not a moment too soon. Lead, follow or get out of the way; well our leadership is clearly a load of shit, so take note-

Prensa Latina April 20, 2010 — Cochabamba, Bolivia — Bolivia’s President Evo Morales Ayma condemned the capitalist system in the opening session of the World People’s Conference on Climate Change and the Rights of Mother Earth today.

Morales, speaking at the April 20 conference inauguration, started his speech with a slogan, “Planet or death, we shall overcome”. He said that harmony with nature could not exist while 1 per cent of the world’s population concentrates more than 50 per cent of the world’s riches. Capitalism is the main enemy of the Earth, only looking for profits, to the detriment of nature, and capitalism is a bridge for social  inequality.

More than 15,000 representatives from five continents were present at the Esteban Ramirez Ecological Stadium in Tuquipaya when Morales read a letter to future generations to alert of the danger the planet faces.

The letter, written by Morales, said the Earth is giving signals by means of earthquakes, seaquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, droughts and typhoons, so there is a great need to protect the planet.

In his letter, Morales called the attention to climate migrants, 50 million people going from one place to another, a number that could increase to up to 200 million in 2050, because of negative environmental impacts.

Bolivia’s president called on the peoples of the world to join together to face those who kill people and purchase weapons. If capitalism is not changed or eliminated, measures adopted to defend Mother Earth will be precarious and temporary.

Morales criticised the 15th UN climate summit in Copenhagen, Denmark, as a place where the voices of entire peoples and social organisations were not heard. “It is necessary that the UN member countries listen and respect the will of the peoples of the world”, he said.

He confirmed the creation of an alternative organisation of the peoples of the world in defence of nature.

The World People’s Conference on Climate Change and the Rights of Mother Earth will conclude on April 22 with the celebration of International Day for the Mother Earth at the Felix Capriles Stadium in Cochabamba, Bolivia. This is a Bolivian proposal approved by the UN General Assembly in 2009.

According to the Bolivarian Information Agency, taking part in the summit are the presidents of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez; Ecuador, Rafael Correa; Paraguay, Fernando Lugo; Nicaragua, Daniel Ortega; and Bolivia, Evo Morales. Also present are two Nobel laureates: Argentinean Adolfo Perez Esquivel and Guatemalan Rigoberta Menchu, among other personalities.

More than 50 scientists, social movement leaders, researchers, academics and artists have agreed to speak on 14 panels, including NASA scientist Jim Hansen; Bill McKibben, environmental journalist and leader of 350.org; Indian environmentalist Vandana Shiva; best-selling author Naomi Klein; Uruguayan writer Eduardo Galeano; Miguel D’Escoto, former president of the UN General Assembly; Lumumba Di-Aping, former lead negotiator for the G77; along with leaders from leading environmental organisations and communities at the frontline of climate change.

20 Responses to “Why Argentina Is Better Than The US & UK”

  1. otto Says:

    Argentina’s better at football, too.

    Later I’ll translate and post Bolivia Veep Garcia Linares’ words at the climate change conference today. They rock.

  2. earwicga Says:

    And Argentina has a Prime Minister that says she has better sex after eating pork…

    Nobody is ‘better’ than anyone else – just once in a while a surprisingly good thing happens.

  3. otto Says:

    see The Mex Files for the exact EvoQuote….you’ll be horribly surprised to see Evo’s been taken out of context for sure for sure.

    • RickB Says:

      “Cuando hablamos del pollo, el pollo que comemos, está cargado de hormonas femeninas, por eso los hombres cuando comen este pollo tienen desviaciones en su ser como hombre”, entre otras deficiencias, tales como la calvicie prematura, como así aceleraciones irregulares en el metabolismo en las mujeres al nacer a la vida reproductiva.”
      http://mexfiles.net/2010/04/21/chicken-shit-progressives/

      That’s why I asked, it seemed a suspect story.

  4. ralfast Says:

    This was part of a larger Operation Condor, a secret cross national operation to cement America’s control over it’s “backyard” through the use of Fascist Proxies, such as Generalissimos and Juntas. No wonder the Argentinians felt so betrayed by Reagan when he too Thatcher side. I bet some of the wanted to scream “After all we did for you, you ungrateful zombie bastard!”

  5. Jotman Says:

    “Now admittedly it took Argentina 27 years to nail their former leader so I’m willing to be a little patient…”

    Rick, I find this time comparison not entirely satisfactory.

    The US and UK have had centuries to refine their democratic institutions. Argentina emerged from a brutal dictatorship over the past two decades.

    Thus, English speakers are how many more years experienced at practicing some semblance of democracy than Argentina? May I suggest we take that figure and subtract 27.

    When I do that, I get a big negative number.

  6. Jotman Says:

    Oops. I ought to have written “subtract 27 from that figure.”

  7. Jotman Says:

    Somebody else do the math.

  8. RickB Says:

    Well y’know I was trying be charitable, but your point is thoroughly valid. However I have a feeling it will be a long wait until our establishment becomes subject to the law and democratic scrutiny (a vote every so often does not fulfil that requirement).

  9. agent0060 Says:

    I’m sorry to rain on anyone’s parade, but I’m of the opinion that this is yet another Argentine smokescreen. How many countries will think better of Argentina because this individual has been tried and convicted? And, after all, it’s just one man. Could someone say how many instances there have been in the last six months where the Argentine government has publicised events showing its commitment to standards of morality, democracy, respect for the law and so forth? This might take some research so there’s no need for an immediate response.
    Just bear in mind that, at the moment, the Argentine government needs the maximum possible support from the Argentine people.
    It is with considerable regret that I have to report a considerable number of sites where some extremely rabid views have been aired. Let’s hope this doesn’t go the same way.

    • ralfast Says:

      So it is just one man, but considering how none in the West have been prosecuted (except for a handful of soldiers and even most of them get off) for the war crimes and crimes against humanity that are the War in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that is the truth.

      So, Argentina is enforcing the law, as is Chile. Good for them.

    • otto Says:

      So where do we start? Well we could start with somebody who begins their comment so full of opinion but then fades into trying to solicit the facts from others.

      Or we could start with pointing out the separation of powers in Argentina and how the judiciary is not the gov’t (and vice versa).

      Or we could start by pointing out that Argentina isn’t doing this for some sort of style-over-substance, hearts’n’mind, international “we’re wonderful now honest guv” contest…it’s doing it for its own wellbeing and going through a very tough process of remembrance. It takes guts to do what the collective in Argentina is doing and ther are plenty of other LatAm states that haven’t been able to face their shameful pasts in the same way (we start that list with main culprit Brazil, plenty of others, too)

      But maybe it’s best if we simply start by telling you to STFU….and finish there.

      • wineguy999 Says:

        Just to play devil’s advocate for a moment:

        Certainly no judiciary has ever worked in conjunction with, or under pressure from, the executive branch of the government – and certainly not in a Latin American country.

        And why the flame to someone who expressed one very legitimate point? Cristina and Nestor are desperate as hell!

        • otto Says:

          Why? Because i just get pissed off every now and again by people pontificating on subjects they clearly know nothing about, even though I know I’m guilty as charged of SIWOTI.

  10. RickB Says:

    I don’t really care if the motivations involved political calculations (all prosecutions do to some extent even if it’s just- will this enhance my career with the dept. head), bottom line a country tried and convicted a former leader for crimes against humanity that he was clearly guilty of. Something both the UK & US continue to fail to do.


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