Video & Eye Witnesses Actually Deemed Enough Evidence To Prosecute A G20 Cop

I guarantee you if there was no video this would not even be happening, This Camera Kills Fascists. If you go on a demo, go with camera, make sure it’s charged and plenty of memory space to record. We have to be our own CCTV, because it oddly never works in the vicinity of security force crimes…

15 Responses to “Video & Eye Witnesses Actually Deemed Enough Evidence To Prosecute A G20 Cop”

  1. harpymarx Says:

    ” If you go on a demo, go with camera, make sure it’s charged and plenty of memory space to record”…

    But bear in mind that the cops have the anti- terrorism legislation (kindly handed to them by NL) to stop you and ask you what pix you are taking esp. if you photographing cops. Be aware of that as I was stopped yesterday by a cop who questioned me about what I was photographing. So if you are going on a demo with camera etc. be conscious of that.

    On the above re the cop being charged well we have to see what happens and I can’t really say too much about it either for various reasons.

  2. RickB Says:

    I would say that makes it more important, imagine if everyone has a cam they will not stop anyone, sheer numbers win! (but if they step that up, cams can be very small and inconspicuous maybe a collective equipping demos with citizen’s surveillance, we cannot trust the authorities). But yeah they will try any shit to get their authoritarian thrills on. And yes, hope the case goes well and justice is served.

    • harpymarx Says:

      I agree with that, but it is ok for you say that in the abstract about this tho’ in reality it can be very different when you experience it.

      And certainly the cops with this vile anti-civil liberties legislation won’t stop me carrying a camera…but at the same time people should know what the cops will use. Therefore be ready and in scouts language…be prepared.

      Yes, safety in numbers but the cops don’t operate like that. And believe me, it is not very comforting being stopped and questioned by the cops as christ knows I didn’t know what they were going to do. I just think people have to be prepared, also produce (with legal advice) leaflets/info about your rights with a camera, and advice about what kind of camera to be used etc.

      ‘I am a photographer not a terrorist’ is central!

  3. harpymarx Says:

    Btw: Now I think about it the NUJ have guidance for their union members.

  4. RickB Says:

    It would be good to boil this http://www.sirimo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/ukphotographersrights-v2.pdf
    down to a bullet point card size you could hand to cops. Like this in concept-
    http://www.markthomasinfo.com/zzz_images/CIFcard.pdf

    Ideally the law has to change/shift to photographers having the right, but yeah for each individual time it is stressful, frustrating and of course that’s why they do it, it discourages you. So next time maybe you leave the cam at home just to avoid the hassle, that is their aim.

    • RickB Says:

      and this
      http://www.not-a-crime.com/

      Have you ever looked into getting a press card? Maybe through your union?

      • HarpyMarx Says:

        The cops are supposed to let journos/photographers to get on with reporting what’s out there (and what, rightly, the NUJ have argued as this obscene legislation attacks the right to report) but that’s not happening as no matter how many times press cards/NUJ credentials were being waved a good number were being either kettled and/or beaten up on the G20 demos and also outside the Israeli embassy earlier this year. Again, condemnation came from the NUJ.

        I just think people should know their rights and organise around that. And yes, I do know what their aim like I said it hasn’t put me off but equally it is shit to be treated like that, and that needs to be appreciated. I have been lucky as some photographers I know well have been not so fortunate!

        Useful links but for me personally will go with the NUJ guidance.

        I am not a member of the NUJ to get a press card etc.

  5. HarpyMarx Says:

    “So next time maybe you leave the cam at home just to avoid the hassle, that is their aim.”

    I do what they are up to and what they are aiming to do. Just it aint nice when it happens, that is what I am emphasising. And don’t need the experience minimised or dismissed.

  6. RickB Says:

    I did not mean to minimise or dismiss and I’m sorry if it read as such.

  7. earwicga Says:

    There is already a Bust Card on this site – http://photographernotaterrorist.org/bust-card/
    Also badges and t-shirts – http://photographernotaterrorist.org/shop/

    Harpy, you know the risks, if you want to take them then all well and good, if not, then don’t. At least you have a choice.

    • RickB Says:

      Good card.
      I disagree, there should be no risks when taking a pic in a free society and by pushing the boundaries we assert our freedom against authoritarian creep.

      • earwicga Says:

        We don’t have a free society. Harpy has a choice whether to take pictures or not. Those most affected by stop and searches are people of colour, who do not have a choice.

  8. landsker Says:

    There is a further point… IF, and even then, after serious consideration, a member of the public witnesses the use of excess force by a police officer, is that person entitled, or perhaps obliged to intervene and effect a citizens arrest.

    In the case of this officer striking a woman, what would have happened if sufficient members of the public had intervened to disarm the police officer and arrest him?
    “Then I woke up..”
    The trial should serve as a warning to the rank and file police officers that every now and again, their masters will allow one of them to be led to the altar and sacrificed for the greater good…(and the integrity of their huge salaries.)

  9. RickB Says:

    Indeed, in reality any such citizen’s action would be called assaulting an officer and they would be the ones in the dock. Call me cynical but I agree the use of scapegoats might be a management technique, but also…saves on pensions?

  10. Bina Says:

    “Delroy Smellie”. Now THERE’s a name you couldn’t make up if you tried.


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